Pros: Looks good Extremely fun to play Cons: Some of the areas seem to narrow or too low Improvements: Expand certain areas to give players more breathing room

Please add a timer and let me know when and if it has one, I cannot put it on my server until it has one

Pros: Love it! Cons: Some spots are lacking detail. Improvements: It wil naturally progress I'm sure. Fun map.

• I hope i see soon the final version,good leaguemap,it makes much fun to play on it :)

• waterentrance in the base,has a bug,sometimes you cant move in the water...then you need some seconds with moving in all directions to go on.

Updated to beta release version 2. please give it a run and see if you like. hoping to release a final version in the next week or two.

RE: layout and cap points

i realize i forgot to mention in the readme here that this is a remake of a QWTF/ map (it also showed up as a remake in various other Tf mods as vilepickle said), so the layout has been around for quite a long time. now having said that, i'm still certainly open to the idea of changing the layout if it's needed for TF2's game style.

having the cap points so close together does make for easy chain caps if the enemy defense isn't organized or familiar with this map's layout. (I saw some ugly one sided scores in q3f pubs) i feel like thats a problem in almost any CTF map though.

so far i feel like theres an interestng balance in this map where having the cap points close together allows for defenses to attempt to deny the cap at the tower it's self, creating some interesting fights. it is a precarious balance though.. making it to close makes capping too easy, and too far away makes it kinda pointless to chase the flag carrier once they get out of your base.

after i open up the outside area, and try some test games a bit more, i'm curious to see what people think of the cap areas.

One more thing, the cap points.. did you intend for them to be so close together? I really raped the other team last night by just grabbing the intel, runnout out to their cap point and bomb jumping for the win..I know it's the person who does the cheap tactics like that but,you may try to get creative and find a way to make it less easy to pull that off.

Thanks for the comments everyone, especially vilepickle for taking the time for indepth criticism. this is my first complete map, so feedback is really helpful.

I'm shooting for just one, maybe 2 more beta releases before calling this thing done. right now my "to do" list is looking like:

-redoing some of the outdoor area to open it up a little bit, giving ppl a bit more room to fight, especially in the center bridge area. also making it easier to exit the water.

-getting the entitys all set up. anyone know if there are additional game rules entities i need to tweak beyond the flags and capzone?

-generally tweaking the displacements, trying to break up the outline of the outdoor area a bit.

-fix some funky textures and lighting issues

-additional work on detailing

Oh, and if there aren't already, I'd put func_nobuilds in narrow areas. I didn't check, so I'm not sure if you put them in spots (like the capture zone doorway like the other guy said).