I think the download link is broken ... new link please?

Is the spawn killing still a problem even on the newest verison i made you, with the second exit to lower red spawn and extra cover on blue forward spawn?

After playing this a lot on my server for a long time, the spawn killing problem is really quite bad now people know the map

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Pros: Pretty nicely detailed map. Cons: Too confusing and I do not like remakes. Improvements: As another user wrote add some arrow signs b/c this map is confusing.

Bringing the func_train to TF2

Its also possible for a demo man to get on ground above doorway at b. its hard to shift him

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After several months of playing this map on my server I have to say that there is one MAJOR flaw with it, this flaw causes people to leave my server quite quickly, people get lost... There is NO signs indicating where to go, just a sign over a door here and there, nothing pointing to A B C for the people on red, I am removing this map from my server as of right now...

:) ive pld it a lot

added a few more things

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Wow excellent feedback mate :) i will take all your observations and do my best to implement them into the final final version.

Thanks alot

There are fps issues, more so in this beta i think, final has minor issues only noticeable when server is full, i dont really like the new texture for the trenches as everything else is white and they dont seem to fit in that well. maybe add some mud and weeds and shading to old white trenches to make them look dirty and damp, the odd puddle would be cool too in the trenches. at moment doesnt blend too well

the red light in vent flashes way way too fast, i want to have a seizure everytime i see it, maybe make one light just flash 1 or 2 times every 30 secs and the rest are always on, you have to crouch to get past the lights in the vent, maybe just make the light appear with no actual light object, like vent in de_prodigy i think. i thought it was more fun having to crawl there in the dark, felt sneakier. maybe old size with 1 or 2 very dim red lights to give it a spooky old forgotten about feel. the sound is still very loud in the vent even when crouching, if possible get rid of it? red can see your shadow anyway when youre in the vent from c. its ok some of the vent being dark, just at the intersection a light is needed tbh

maybe move the sign for c near b to on the wall instead of above the door with an arrow on it to point to the staircase as its blocked from view by the netting at moment and nobody new to the map has a clue how to get to c, or put one of those control point signs near it

add some objects in barren parts of map, a few trees and grass on ground above trenches? some computers big maps of the world and stuff to c to make it look like a war room, boxes and puddles in trench system, and some props in other parts of map and rooms to give room a bit of character etc

the concrete pipes on the beach are solid and u cant shoot thru the holes, not a big deal now forward spawns are there

you cant shoot through the holes on the fence that lines the top walkway taht joins red spawn to b. bit annoying as rockets cant hit incoming red players when youre trying to cap b

adding some boxes in trench near forward spawn point so blue can jump up out of them instead of trying to time it on the door closing to lift them out would be cool

blue can get in red forward spawn too, not sure about the main spawn

can you make the ground above cp 1 a bit less steep, as its quite tricky to jump onto that roof, you have to run along the side of it to do it

(maybe) move some netting over the trench exit of forward blue spawn so a demo man cant sticky it and sit on the ground above the trench so its impossible to kill him, 2nd exit means this isnt so bad. this 1st spawn door into the trench also wont open when u try to go back in i tfor ehalth which is pretty annoying

the red forward spawn door also gets tuck sometimes so maybe a s2nd exit? possibly further down wall or opening up on that lttle roof/ledge above it as that door gets camped sometimes by blue. an engi can solve it with a teleporter built ion the inside

maybe add a blue wall or picture to end of sea so it isnt just a blank space?

theres a small ledge at bottom of ladder from red spawn which looks like a mapping error its so small

the noticeboard at a isnt stuck to wall

the battlements sign at red spawn 2 is blue not red

awesome map tho overall

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