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Pros: Great map layout. I love it. Ladders work really well. Lots of nooks and crannys to hole up in. Cons: Sniper haven. Can see Blue getting flogged at their spawn Do see that a lot of effort has been put into reducing this. It can be hard to bust out as blue but that also adds to the charm. Maybe more cover near blues initial spawn. chuck in a few Cactus !! Improvements: few minor issues already mentioned. Notes: It's playable as is but I'm waiting for a newer release for our main server. Great map two thumbs up

I've seen this bug yesterday. I tried in local mode with the new build I'm working on. All were fine. Moreover, this bug were not present some weeks ago. A friend thinks that it can be due to a cvar (bug or missconfiguration? Following an update?).

We have added this sweet-lookin' map to the rotation on our 24 slot pub.

The sceenshots here on fpsb attracted me to this map first, and then, after loading it up, I saw that even as nice as they are, they dont do it justice!

We have run through cpdesperadosa17 a number of times, but have yet to do so with a full server. However, I have an early review I'd like to provide.

This map is one of the nicest lookin TF2 maps I have seen. The skybox is deep and provides an inspiring view from virtually anywhere on the map. The vertical nature of the cliffside attack path provides the opportunity for some unique gameplay.

As it stands now, I see a distinct imbalance benefitting the defending Red characters that normally benefit from both increased elevation and direct lines of sight - ie: Soldier, Demo & Sniper. Soldiers are much harder to hit from below and have the added "boost" of being able to shoot the ground around an attacker for splash damage. Demos can sticky from above and just spam pipe bombs from above while remaining beyond the edge of the cliff. And snipers... LOL... We dont use a class restrict but only had two on Red, and even they felt that there needed to be more "interruptions" to their direct lines of sight - all the way down to the spawn.

Ambush characters like spies and pyros play well here and serve their purposes, as do sedentary characters like engies and heavies.

I personally, love the little custom touches. The hanging sniper... LOL :) In regards to the sniper... Once he is shot down, the attacking players can get stuck on his ragdoll... You can shoot his body off of you and move again, but players have gotten stuck. Dunno if Red gets stuck on him or can move freely over his corpse...

I like the right-side attack path, blocked by a custom bomb that explodes after (I believe) B is capped. However, there should be some way to inform attackers that those not able to get over the rock are wasting their time going that way. Either that, or make the "barricade" passable by all characters - regardlless whether it is blown up or not. Perhaps a small underground tunnel at the end of that right-side approach path that goes under the mountain & comes out on the ledge overloooking the rope bridge? That might give the attackers back a bit of the height advantage so they could attack the defense at the top level.

Also, I REALLY like the bell! Great to see interactive props included in maps! :)

Is there any way you can add to the effect by making the bell swing when it is hit and rings? Adding a little animation would make it much more realistic. Also, someone that enjoyed the map on our server suggested making a different-toned bell on each level - A - B & C.

OK, I could stop now, but then, I just gotta say...

LADDERS THAT WORK! :)

Awesome...

I look forward to the next update and will enjoy playing this version until that happens.

Nice job! Keep on Goin'! :)

Hey Hey, Yo Yo! They call me B

We just played this 7-7 and it was a lot of fun.

Some issues: - The biggest issue is that when time runs out, BLU wins. It should be the other way around. For debugging purposes, we had capped A but not B at that point. - At the top of the right path from BLU spawn, it's possible to build a sentry and jump over the rocks at the top in order to immediately access C. If you really don't want people using this area until after B, I suggest keeping the door from the spawn closed until B is capped. - If you leave the door open, you need a sign showing that the way is blocked. Like a custom "Dead End (until B is capped)" sign right outside the spawn door. - FPS were really bad in some spots... a result of the openness of the map. I'm not sure that there's a solution other than trying to split the map in 2 across the middle with some cliffs or even two tall towers. If you haven't done areaportals, nodraws, and other optimizations, I'd highly recommend it. - People complained that it should be a little more open in some of the building areas. I know it's a port, but knocking down a wall here or there might improve that. I didn't mind it myself. - The area under C needs some serious work. Having 5 levels of stairs isn't cutting it. Perhaps make it open with some stairs spiraling around the outside edge, along with catwalks across the middle. That would make it far more interesting. - You have some displacements that don't align. Actually, lots of them. If you sew them they'll look much better. - Good snipers will dominate the map. The only possible solutions would be splitting the map across the middle or providing more cover for people below.

Overall we had a lot of fun on it. I'm looking forward to future versions, especially since it plays really well with fewer players on it.

Oh... Ohh boy, sorry mate xD

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Many thanks :)

As I wrote, yes it is.

Pros: Awesome just Awesome!!!! A well time spent on this map. Cons: None Improvements: None Notes: Keep up the Great mapping work.

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Is this a remake of the Desperado map for FoF and CS:S?

Looks alot like it :/ The similarities are many *

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